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Postby hemingray » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:28 pm

Greeeenies wrote:ATVs are also a major factor in the spread noxious and invasive weeds. Based on research by the Montana State University Extension Service, a single dirt bike or ATV can spread 2,000 seeds over a 10-mile radius.
That explains quite a bit about my back yard!
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Postby RobG » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:00 pm

This site has been around for several years. It gets your blood boiling doesn't it? It's just another great example of the complete LACK of tolerance the "other side" has, while claiming they're all about tolerance.

99.9% of the stuff that site states as fact is pure fiction. Most reasonable people will know it, but there will always be the herd mentality that will go along with it... like the morons that drive Priuses that actually think they're saving the planet.

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Postby hemingray » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:00 pm

I guess my getting older allows me to laugh at the stuff. They aren't making a big impact really, and I think you're right about most people not buying into it.

Here's a kind of funny greenie thing. The Mountain Camp was established about 1964 in the San Mateo coast off Gazos Creek Rd. It was run in association with the Stanford Athletic Department. I went there when I was about 10 or 11 years old. They taught a lot of things, including an early form of "ecology" as it was known by the time I got to high school. It also had a number of outside sports, including some swimming and canoeing on a lake (which turns out to be a pond - but it sure seemed bigger at the time!). Turns out it was built on the site of a former mill (the pond was the millpond). The property had been acquired from an owner of a larger parcel which ran a logging operation that later helped define some sustainable forestry techniques via a professor at Stanford. My memories were of a neat outside environment, where we learned a lot about it, and also a lot of other things about the environment itself. I came away with a real respect for the outdoors.

Fast forward a few decades. The camp went through a couple of ownership changes. Ultimately the land was acquired by a trust who was adminstering money from an oil spill settlement on the coast, and these parcels were specifically acquired because they are habitat for an endangered seabird species which was impacted by the spill. OK, kinda neat. THen an eco-organization desired to use the old camp - which has been kept in good repair - as a wildlife monitoring station and teaching facilty (on a small scale). How good would that be?

Ahh, too bad. The seabird greenies don't want the eco-greenies to ruin the seabird environment. I think I read about a decade of back-and-forth exchanges with all the agencies you can imagine weighing in, each side with experts saying no effect on the endangered species and other experts saying it would kill the entire habitat to use this little camp.

So, the eco folks have a lease on this little camp, but cannot use it whatsoever because of other eco folks. Very bizarre.

Sorry for the long story, but to me I think it's showing how the wars are often within now. Meanwhile, I enjoy riding my quad on the forest roads, enjoying many things that I learned in that little camp while the kids who might have attended it in modern times are playing on their Playstations...

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Postby avejoe » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:20 pm

Nuge wrote:You guys don't know how good you have it just being 100 miles from here. I'm in the belly of the liberal beast, Obama-koolaide heaven, the Frisco bay area.

That site is by the Foundation for Deep Ecology, based in Sausalito. The only good thing is these guys are probably so baked that they can't get there faces out of thier bongs long enough to actually DO something other than make websites (and prob run pay porn sites from their closet servers)....but that is still bad enough.
Two thoughts here. One, you sound like not getting your face out of a bong and running a porn site is a bad thing. Two, nobody says "Frisco". :D
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Postby Nuge » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:17 am

Two thoughts here. One, you sound like not getting your face out of a bong and running a porn site is a bad thing. Two, nobody says "Frisco". :D[/quote]

huh?

As for saying Frisco, it was the hippies in the 60's that came in and made that claim...the same one's that said "use and accordian, go to jail".

I was born there, my old man was a cop there for decades...so it's Frisco to me. Sad part is, there are VERY few San Franciscans left, so no city identity. At least New York hasn't lost its soul, or locals.

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Postby Nuge » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:30 am

Hey Hemingray, I used to go wheeling and MXing in the hills around that camp. Big Basin has aquired a lot of the land around it, and its gated where the old fire lookout was. The people that run that camp put up a bunch of erosion control crap at all the turnouts along the dirt part of Gazos Crk Rd.

I remember still seeing the old log dam and the pieces of rails from when a narrow guage ran out to the coast.

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Postby hemingray » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:40 am

Wow - awesome pictures!!

I remember the logging trucks going by the place when we were there. Later, as a teen, we drove a lot of the roads out there and saw it in a whole new light. Somewhere, I have a picture at the San Mateo County border on one of the roads up there where there was the county sign, and underneath it "Impassable In Wet Weather", insinuating the whole county was in that condition.

I seem to remember there were a lot of sand hills up there too.

I spent a night on the internet awhile back and pieced together the history (including this more modern conflict). I read a county document that described all the road improvements. They have done a lot in an attempt to use the camp again, but more powerful bird greenies have prevented it. The county apparently is quite reluctant to allow anything as well.

The most interesting report was one from the CA Dept of Fish and Game. It made some wide assumptions (in typical CA gov't fashion) and the opposition had a couple of PhD researchers refute the state report. It was interesting reading. BTW, the endangered bird is the Marbled Murrelet, which nests in the older growth trees.

Oh well - progress marches on I guess, pleasant memories of that area.

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Postby Nuge » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:06 pm

sorry to hijack this thread!

Yes, I'm familiar with the Marbled Murrelet (sp?)...its prevented a lot of logging in these redwoods.

The top of the hill used to be called Sandy Point Guard Station, so yeah, lotos of sandy soil. Some cool hillclimbs too. The original Gazos Road goes all the way through to Big Basin, I think it's called North Escape Rd where it intersects with highway 236.

The county historian back in the '60's hiked nearly every creek in the county and located a bunch of old sawmills....he wrote a book with lots of great old pics and maps called Sawmills in the Redwoods (by Frank Stanger)

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Postby hemingray » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:37 pm

I'll have to look that book up. As I recall, using my dim memory, there was a gate on the road in the 70's, so you couldn't make a loop out of it then either. Growing up on the Peninsula, it seemed like a world far away. Then I got my driver's license... :-)
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Postby avejoe » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:31 pm

I used to ride my mtn. bike from Big Basin to the coast. I understand you can't even do that anymore.
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Postby Nuge » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:17 pm

The gate's still there, and the tree-huggers want it to stay closed. We got hassled one day long ago by a game warden when we tried to lift our enduros over the log next to it. SM county roads says its county property all the way to the top.

We stopped going in that way, instead goig thru highway 236 to China Grade, then getting around gates on Johansen Rd. There's an old cabin just off Johansen near the gate in the middle that's off a side road and blocked by some cut logs. It's built on some old stumps and looks like it dates to the 20-30's...we figured maybe it was last used by booleggers.

Lots of memories of late nights 4-wheeling and lots of beer...getting home about the same time the sun was coming up.

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Postby Nuge » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:40 pm

avejoe wrote:I used to ride my mtn. bike from Big Basin to the coast. I understand you can't even do that anymore.

.....probably not legally, but screw it, let 'em try to catch you.

I've heard that the open space district has rangers parked in the middle of the forest giving out speeding tix to mountain bikers...It's some crazy Shiite these days.

HEY! now they have a scarey website too.

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Postby hemingray » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:02 am

avejoe wrote:I used to ride my mtn. bike from Big Basin to the coast. I understand you can't even do that anymore.
There are some blogs here and there - with some pix too - of folks riding bikes through there. More power to 'em, very pretty country.

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Postby Ken » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:16 am

I think that Gazos creek camp is where I had my 5th Grade outdoor education.
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Postby ATV'er » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:29 am

Ken wrote:I think that Gazos creek camp is where I had my 5th Grade outdoor education.
Did you get to see them building it in the 1920's and 30's? :lol:
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